This one is quite unique. For an amber/red you get the best of both works. This has some citrus, that leans towards grapefruit, with some piney hops. It is also quite malty that consists of caramel / toffee with a nice nutty taste to it. Well carbonated as you can see. Overall it meshes well & is not exactly a lighter beer. This is another that I can see some not enjoying as much as others. To me the uniqueness gets it to a 4 easily & found enjoyable for myself.