Full disclosure...we were trying to make a BIG ASS IPA (which we did! 9.5%) and at the same time make it pretty piney (which we didn't). Instead, what we got was something not intended but still awesome! Big with tons of hops, but not in the overpowering way. Slightly sweet, and different...and we dug it. Warm like a red sweater and a little different...just like Steve.